What I am debating is basically zeal vs. vengeance. I like the wallop vengeance packs, but I'm questioning its survivability factor, in that you can only strike 1 target at a time. Since when you strike a monster it interrupts its attack, zeal has typically been my preference. It is also cheaper in terms of skill investment. Until I did some reading, I had completely forgotten about Defiance's passive bonus combining with Holy Shield.
That said, I like the weapon options for Vengeance better. Basically if I understand correctly, you're just looking for the highest damage weapon possible, making any high damage weapon a good option. Also. if I am correct, a mod with +x% damage to demons/undead also boost vengeance's elemental damage. So potentially a 4 OS sword or axe for Oath or a good rare item can be my weapon, which might not be too much trouble. Obviously getting Doom or Dragon or something along those lines would be great, but I figure I'm lucky to get my hands on 1 good rune, forget getting 3 or more. My thought is if I can find an eth conquest sword I can use Larzuk quest and make oath, but otherwise just keep an eye out for elite rares and socketed swords, scourges, and axes.
If I go zeal I'm basically just looking for a Gimmershred, and something just turns me off about seeing my toon run around with that little hatchet-looking thing. I have tried ele zealots with Voice of Reason, but cold immunes take like 6 minutes to kill if I go that route. But then again I get more chances to trigger my Dracs (assuming I can get my hands on a pair) using zeal.
Right now I have a Tiamat's for my shield socketed with a P diamond, but after looking at it again, I'm starting to think it's more flashy than effective. It's nice having that ele damage added, but it's not really that much damage, and getting 50% resistances from my shield puts a strain on my other gear. It basically relegates me to Gloom (45 resist all), or maybe Treachery for my armor (don't like depending on Fade to trigger tho to get resists). Gloom + my tiamats comes close to negating my -100 penalty to resists in hell, which means It'll be tough to get around 40 resist all which i regard as being the bare minumum for survivability.
One good thing I do have for gear is a string of ears, but I still have a whole lot of gear for both me and my merc (went with holy freeze since my conviction will boost the cold damage) to gather. So figured I'd better get some good ideas from the pros so I at least know what to look for.
I guess more than anything I am trying to find out if an Avenger is really hell viable. I did read a guide which said so, but I've tried a few builds based on guides saying the same thing, which didn't go so well
|||I've always found Vengeance to be alluring on paper but frustrating in practice. As you note, the slow attack speed and interruptibility are nuisances, and its also hard to leech back enough health with such a low physical damage output (Dracs help a lot, but they can take longer to proc than you might like).I'm not sure what aura(s) you're considering for your potential Zealot, but I've had universally better luck with Zeal than Vengeance, whether its paired with Fanaticism, Holy Shock, or Conviction.
As to your concerns about gear:
- Tiamat's Rebuke is indeed a mediocre shield; Spirit or Rhyme in a high-res paladin shield would probably work better for you
- Voice of Reason/Rift aren't bad if you have a backup plan; I would recommend putting one point in Fanaticism and keeping a decent physical damage weapon on switch for immunes (even a cheap 2H weapon could work for this, like Obedience or Arioc's Needle)
- Treachery is a fantastic armor for Zealots. If you don't like waiting for Fade, you can just stand in a fire outside the gates of Harrogath for a few seconds to activate it; once you're in combat, it'll never go down (it lasts almost five minutes). Once Fade's on, you get +60% to all resistances, 45% IAS, 15% damage reduction, ~300 poison damage, and some FHR to boot. You can't beat those stats without high runes.
And speaking of high runes, the Avenger vs. Elemental Zealot debate is essentially nullified once you get some Jah runes; Dual Dream Zealot > Any Avenger|||^Everything this guy said. Vengeance is cool but just not that usable.
Another build that's pretty good is maxed zeal/sacrifice/holy shock/light res. Just add some crushing blow and you're good to go.|||Holy freeze zealot is also a viable build, just get crushing blow and good ias.|||Interesting points. I've tried some different zealot variants, and the ones using elemental auras were fun right up until you ran into an immune. Hence, my one-and-done with my old frost zealot.
Maybe just going the old fanat/zeal/sacrifice route would be best. The thing with Fanat is that I always feel obligated to go with angelic ammy and 2 rings to make sure I'm hitting reliably (although come to think of it i could always go with a blessed aim merc). Also found a decent 6 or 7% life leech ring with resists and crown of thieves, so I'm already sitting at close to 20% life leech anyway. Also, since I was gearing up to be an avenger, i made oath in an eth conquest sword (only rolled 283% ed, but i guess coulda been worse)...since the +elem damage is based on the physical damage of the weapon. So I already have a good, but not great physical damage weapon. Maybe I'll just go fanat/zeal and invest 20 pts between vengeance and conviction as a backup plan to phys immunes. Another option I guess is holy shock w/crescent moon phase blade.
I've never had a rune higher than Gul, so I certainly don't see a Jah in my future, so Dream is pretty much...well, a dream.
|||Oath is still really good for a Fanatic Zealot.As for AR, I've always been a fan of pre-buffing enchant off of Demon Limb (Lava Gouts work too)
Given your gear, I'd recommend the aforementioned Zeal/Sacrifice/Shock/Light Resist build, with 1 point in Fanaticism and the rest in Holy Shield. Your AR won't be fantastic, but you'll have some solid physical and lightning damage and a 5fpa attack (assuming you can scrape together 13% IAS from your gear)
Crescent Moon is nice, but whenever I've played a Tesladin, I've always found myself searching for more non-lightning damage to deal with immunes; the non-immunes melt like butter whether you're using it or not (Static Field is incredibly awesome though).|||Quote:
Oath is still really good for a Fanatic Zealot.
As for AR, I've always been a fan of pre-buffing enchant off of Demon Limb (Lava Gouts work too)
Given your gear, I'd recommend the aforementioned Zeal/Sacrifice/Shock/Light Resist build, with 1 point in Fanaticism and the rest in Holy Shield. Your AR won't be fantastic, but you'll have some solid physical and lightning damage and a 5fpa attack (assuming you can scrape together 13% IAS from your gear)
Crescent Moon is nice, but whenever I've played a Tesladin, I've always found myself searching for more non-lightning damage to deal with immunes; the non-immunes melt like butter whether you're using it or not (Static Field is incredibly awesome though).
I respecced to the following -
Max fanat, sacrifice, holy shock
5 zeal and res light
10 holy shield
My stats roughly are 140 str, 120 dex, 225 vit.
My gear is crown of thieves, angelic ammy and 1 ring, other ring is 5% life leech with a couple resists. Im using a crappy rare armor until i can get gloom, and tiamats w a perf diamond. Oath conquest sword, nats boots and a 7/15 string of ears.
The plan is to go either spirit with a kurast or zak shield, make a gloom armor, get another angelic ring, and just keep an eye out for better boots.
So far i seem to kill a little bit slower but am taking less damage since im striking more enemies.|||Granted this was on p/1 setting for Hell, but I had a level 77 Conviction Zealot. My weapon of choice was Barnar's Star. Very effective and never had to weapon switch because of immunes. Also, Barnar's was fairly fast.|||Quote:
Holy freeze zealot is also a viable build, just get crushing blow and good ias.
Thats what I was thinking too. I heard they are very good build in pvm.
As for the op, the dual dream conviction zealot would kill much faster then vengeance/conviction because zeal hits multiple targets. But vengeance on the other hand has way more power when working hard points on vengeance and having lvl 25 conviction. it gives 1 big shot of elements but still is a nice skill.
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